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PostSubject: how to create talisay extract   Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:12 pm

First of all what is a talisay leaf or also called ketapang leave or indian almond leave ^^

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Ketapang leaves - the so called Asian Breeding Secret Recipe and Black Water Extract - a scientifically prepared water solution which creates a natural environment and induces spawning; do they serve the same purpose?

Ketapang Leaves;

Most of the tropical fishes that lives in the rivers and lakes, their natural and best environment is Black Water. Black water have a distinctive brownish tea like color and contain many dissolved organic materials.

It was first noticed that fishes living around the water where the ketapang trees grew are found much more vibrant, beautiful and healthy. Thus started the practice of putting in ketapang leaves into aquariums to try and achieve the same condition as those found in their natural environment.

The ketapang tree is a big 'pagoda-shaped' tree with distinctly tiered branching. The origin of the tree is in Malaya. A noted pecularity of this species is the tendency for its leaves to turn bright red and fall - a rarity in the tropics where most trees remain evergreen throughout the year. The bark, fruit and leaves of the tree have traditionally been used to treat various ailments ranging from skin disease, dysentery, headaches and colic in children. Research has identified properties which could be used in treating hypertension.

Ketapang (TERMINALIA CATAPPA, or commonly called tropical almond, badamier, Java almond, amandier de Cayenne, wild almond, Indian almond, myrobalan, Malabar almond, Singapore almond, Huu kwang, Sea almond, kobateishi) tree is known to produce a poison in its leaves and sap to defend against insect parasites. When the dried leaves falls into the river, a strong brown dye is given off. The dye is full of organic acids like humic and tannins.

So the dried Ketapang leaves actually release organic acids like humic and tannins which lowers the pH of the water, absorbs harmful chemicals and help create a soothing and calm environment for the fish.

What is Humic Acid? Is it a mixture of several organic acids? Humic acids are a complex mixture of partially 'decomposed' and otherwise transformed organic materials. The freshwater humic acids can come from a variety of sources, most of which are on land (decomposing terrestrial vegetation.) These substances wash into lakes and rivers, undergoing further transformations along the way, and ultimately into the ocean.

Humic acid contains Sulfur, Nitrogen and Phosphorus in varying amounts. It also contains metals such as Ca, Mg, Cu, Zn etc. which can be 'chelated' in some undefined way. Humic acid can be broken down into two groups based on the polarity and size of the individual 'compounds'.

The smaller, more polar fraction is generally termed fulvic acid and the larger, more non-polar fraction is generally termed humic acid. Humic acids are the end product of microbial degradation of plant and animal debris and are one of the most important constituents of fertile soils.

Tannins, lignins and fulvic acids are sub classes of humic acids. They all tint the water yellow.

Tannic and humic acids may be useful for inhibiting many types of bacteria including cyano-bacteria and are fairly benign for your fish.

Another paradoxical effect of humic acids is the detoxification of heavy metals. Humic material and detritus in the aquarium also rapidly absorb and detoxify many chemicals including zinc, aluminum and copper! One might expect them to be made more, not less toxic by humic acids, but the studies seem to indicate a detoxifying effect.

Also important to know: The harder the water the more ineffective the humic acids - - - more exactly: the dissolved lime in the water produces undissolvable calcium humates. So, the higher the water hardness, the higher must be the supply of humates in order to achieve an acidifying effect. The softer the water, the less humates are needed and the better the effect.

Peat is a rich source of humic acids, as are decaying driftwood. So in some countries, peat is used instead of ketapang leaves.

Black Water Extract & It's Uses;

Regardless of the brand, it is basically a scientifically prepared water soluble extract of Canadian peat, tropical roots, selected tree bark, wood and leaves, which contain essential trace elements, vitamins, hormones and humic acids to enrich aquarium water. It creates a natural environment similar to that of the lakes in the tropical rainforest and some area of the Amazon River. It also induces spawning for most soft water and acid loving fishes. 'Black water extract' seems to be mainly humic acids.

In summary, the dosage for black water extract is defined in the directions of the bottle, for eg – 5ml to 25 litres of water. But the use of ketapang leaves will depend on your on judgement. Too much of the ketapang leaves may result in too low the water pH. So whether you choose to use ketapang leaves or black water extract, I guess it's more a personal preference and a matter of convenience.

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PostSubject: Re: how to create talisay extract   Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:14 pm

this is how i create talisay extract ^^

We hand pick newly fallen dried talisay leaf and carefully hand washed them to remove debris.
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Newly washed talisay leaf are transfer to a casserole and then we add water and boil it for 45 minutes for it to release the extract.
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After being boiled this how it would look like and then we let it cool for a night.
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Now after cooling for a night we transfer it to a pitcher with a fine strainer to filter loose stem and leaves from the extract.
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After the filtration process we transfer the extract in a 30ml spill proof plastic container and sealed it.
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Now are highly concentrated talisay extract are packed and ready to use, just add one tablespoon of extract in a 4x6x8 tank.
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PostSubject: Re: how to create talisay extract   Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:54 pm

Very informative! May tricks p pla thumbs up


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PostSubject: Re: how to create talisay extract   Mon May 02, 2011 12:16 am

haha mga facts lang po sir ^^ hope it would help everyone especially newbies ^^

btw im not using anymore talisay since it can alter the color and para masanay sila sa maynilad water lang
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PostSubject: Re: how to create talisay extract   Fri May 06, 2011 1:30 pm

sir pwede ba ito sa flowehorn? TIA
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